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Climate change: a window to act

The incontrovertible evidence of global climate change puts a heavy responsibility on civil society as well as governments.


The thirteenth United Nations Climate Change conference in Bali on 3-14 December 2007 will conclude a year when climate change has moved towards the top of the international political agenda. A series of reports, meetings and plans since the publication of the Stern review in November 2006 (as well as the award of the Nobel peace prize to Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [IPCC] in October 2007) has kept the issue at the forefront of public discussion. But perhaps even more important in sustaining momentum has been clear evidence from around the world of the environmental impact of climate change itself, and the urgency of taking steps to address it.

Paul Rogers is professor of peace studies at Bradford University, northern England. He has been writing a weekly column on global security on openDemocracy since 26 September 2001

The gap between evidence and policy still remains wide, however. There is a long way to go to implant the sense among political leaders of just how important and shaping the challenge of climate change is for human society in the 21st century. It might be worth, then, summarising the broad understandings of climate change's further likely consequences in the coming decades, so that the responsibility facing the IPCC and the world's governments and international agencies can be put in context.

The big heat

In assessing how current climate-change trends will develop, three aspects are especially worthy of note (see "Climate change: threat and promise", 2 November 2006).

First, there is the risk that positive feedback systems will speed up the whole process. A vivid example is the melting of Arctic sea-ice; this leaves darker ocean surfaces to absorb more solar radiation, thus speeding up the melting process. This process could in turn be exceeded by another feedback mechanism: the progressive melting of the Arctic permafrost, which would release huge amounts of methane (a particularly potent climate-change gas) from rotting vegetation. This would further increase temperatures, melting more permafrost and releasing even more methane.

Second, the tropical and sub-tropical regions of the world could be far more severely affected than has previously been thought. Until the mid-1990s, most climate-change models predicted that the main effects would be felt in temperate latitudes whose relatively wealthy societies might be able to cope best. The more sophisticated models that came later have suggested otherwise; they predict that the most heavily populated and poorest regions of the world likely to experience more severe storms, inundation of low-lying coastal areas and, most important of all, a progressive drying out of the land masses as rainfall distribution tends to move from the tropics to the polar regions and from the land to the oceans.

Since these massive changes would affect poorer societies that were hugely dependent on local food production, the consequences in terms of malnutrition, starvation, migratory pressures and social disruption could be catastrophic.

Third, the fact that the official estimates of climate change are necessarily consensus documents - agreed among thousands of scientists and a hundred-plus national delegations - is both a striking indicator of international cooperation and a problem. It is a problem because inevitably, the process of achieving such consensus is enveloped by a persistent air of caution. This is made worse by the need to study and agree the often voluminous data arising from the very welcome increase in research into climate change. The end result was that the most recent research is often not be incorporated into the overall conclusions of the IPCC.

The reality is worse

The IPCC's publication of its new "synthesis report" on 17 November 2007 is an effort to collate the relevant current data, as a prelude to the new round of international negotiations on the control of carbon emissions which the Bali gathering will inaugurate. The report's opening is a stark illustration of the immediacy of the problem: it provides evidence that eleven of the last twelve years are among the twelve warmest years worldwide since accurate instrumental measurements started over 150 years ago.

The report also reveals that the IPCC has repeatedly had to revise its estimates of the impact of climate change upwards, a clear indication of the amount of new evidence tending in the same direction. At the same time, many leading climate scientists argue that the synthesis report does not go far enough; that it still has the limitations of a consensus document that avoids saying how dangerous current global-warming tendencies are (see Elisabeth Rosenthal & James Kanter, "Alarming UN report on climate change too rosy, many say", International Herald Tribune, 18 November 2007).

In addition to his weekly openDemocracy column, Paul Rogers writes an international security monthly briefing for the Oxford Research Group; for details, click here

Paul Rogers's latest book is Global Security and the War on Terror: Elite Power and the Illusion of Control (Routledge, July 2007). This is a collection of papers and essays written over the last twenty years, with two new essays on the current global predicament

This view is condensed by Hans Verolme, the director of the WWF global climate-change programme: "The IPPC is a five-year process, and the IPPC is struggling to keep up with the data - we are all being updated with new evidence and new science, and the new science is saying 'You thought it was bad? No, it's worse'".

A formulation of this kind might be expected from a campaigning organisation. It is striking, then, that the same perspective is shared by Rajendra Pachauri, who as chair of the IPPC is routinely diplomatic in his pronouncements. At the launch of the synthesis report in Valencia on 17 November he said "If you look at the scientific knowledge things do seem to be getting progressively worse. Maybe before we were in a state of ignorance, but also we've seen much stronger trends in climate change. So you'd better start with the interventions even earlier. Now."

The south's peril

In face of the mounting evidence of accelerating climate change, it is obvious that the Kyoto protocols - however painstakingly negotiated - have proved woefully inadequate in their attempts to control emissions. The reasons lie partly in wider political and economic realities. The Bush administration's decision to withdraw from Kyoto in 2001 did much to undermine the agreement. More fundamentally, the two largest newly industrialising countries - India and China - are making coal-fired power stations the instrument of much of their economic development. The Chinese in particular are becoming more aware of the consequences for their own environment of rapid, polluting, greenhouse-gas-emitting economic growth; but like the Indians, they are caught between the imperative of creating a dynamic economy as a way to meet the expectations of their populations and the responsibility to protect their environment.

A further challenge is becoming more visible in the world's tropical zones, which are facing a severe threat to agricultural productivity in coming decades: in tropical areas of Latin America it is predicted to decline by at least 20% over the next 70 years, across Africa by 30% downturn, and in India itself as much as 40% (see Rick Weiss, "Facing a Threat to Farming and Food Supply", Washington Post, 19 November 2007). Moreover, these are decreases on present production levels; they make no allowance for increased food demand coming from up to 4 billion more people, as well as the likelihood that much land could be used to produce biofuels.

The margin for action

The inescapable reality of climate change is at last being seen for what it is: the greatest contemporary threat to the world community, and most immediately to those in the global south who are least able to cope with its effects. Truly radical action will be required in the very near future - and that means years not decades.

To some degree this is already happening:

* strenuous efforts are being made to research new crop varieties that are more drought- and heat-resistant; some of the world's leading tropical agriculture research centres are now concentrating on this task

* there is increasing recognition of the huge potential to conserve energy across the industrialised countries in the global north

* renewable-energy resources (including wind, wave, tidal and photovoltaic systems) are all available for deployment on a far larger scale than at present; countries such as Denmark and Germany are making progress here.

Against this, there are the fundamental obstacles of political inertia and vested interests, the lack of political will, and the bureaucratic time-wasting that goes into producing multilateral agreements.

What is needed is a combination of strenuous and persistent citizen movements and some clear and unambiguous examples of political leadership. The former is already taking root, aided by unexpected events such as the Nobel peace prize award to the IPPC/Al Gore award, but there is little evidence of the latter.

The British prime minister Gordon Brown made an unexpectedly robust speech on 19 November 2007 that committed Britain to strong, ambitious action on climate change; yet full details of the new policies are not due for eighteen months and even if implemented will be far from sufficient. Furthermore, Brown's own government (surrounded already by a host of political and economic problems, including the loss of huge amounts of electronic data on citizens) is locked into its own contradictory policies: advocating a substantial increase in air traffic through London's Heathrow airport, for example, while failing in its plans to achieve a zero-carbon homes policy by 2016 (see Ashley Seager, "Labour lagging behind in plan for zero-carbon homes", Guardian, 22 November 2007).

When policies and outlooks face both ways at the same time, whether in China or western Europe, it is not simply due to the venality of governments or the powers that influence them. It may be that, even as climate change increasingly impacts on the world's most vulnerable communities, urgently needed radical action to avoid such a disaster is beyond the capacity of current political systems.

Yet there is no alternative. We need to work with what we have got, and much will depend on whether non-governmental groups and the wider civil society can force sufficient change on a decidedly reluctant polity. We will know within five years at most.

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richard said:



Tue, 2007-12-04 16:31
Steven, I doubt that the Bush administration will agree to anything useful on global warming, but just as Howard has been kicked out of government in Australia, and his successor's first action is to sign up to Kyoto, so Bush's successor also will hopefully overturn Bush's irrational approach to global warming. By that time, however, China may have taken over global economic leadership, and - who knows? - China may then have become a democracy. Anything can happen. It could even be that Jesus could come down from the sky and make everything all right, or you and Iron Mike could turn out to be right all along, or the Easter Bunny could sort it all out for us, but in the meantime, our job is to keep thinking of what needs to be done from a rational point of view.

steven_12 said:



Tue, 2007-12-04 10:16
So you honestly believe the US will buy carbon quota?

richard said:



Wed, 2007-11-28 21:31
Steve_12 worries that taking action to correct global warming. With Contraction and Convergence, the opposite of Steve's worry is true. With C&C, a target for a safe level of global CO2 is set, countries are allocated CO2 on a per capita basis, and trading of the quota is allowed. The US will have to buy CO2 quotas from poor African countries, so there is an intrinsic tendency to economic convergence in the system. Also, with the transfer of solar technology to developing countries, they will become energy rich, and Somalia may find itself exporting hydrogen to Europe. Given help with water conservation and management, green economics can really help to make poverty history. Finally, it is poor countries that will suffer worst from global warming, because of the drought/flood aspect. Richard

richard said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 15:13
Steveatpub, I will put a brief answer on the Climate Denialists Sand Pit thread, so that we can keep this thread for discussion of how to respond to global warming. Richard

steveapub said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 04:23
Skeptics could just as easily say that debating AGW with an alarmist is like trying to convince a zealous cardiologist that his patient, suffering from bad indigestion, does not need bypass surgery. Alarmists are famous for claiming a consensus as a means of avoiding addressing confounding data and alternate theories. Richard's comment above is a perfect example of this. Cooperation, not condescension, is the hallmark of scientific progress. But if cooperation impedes political progress, then condescension is a means that justifies the ends. Al Gore and the IPCC are perfect examples of this. Alarmists are so afraid of skeptics impeding their political progress that they have threatened them with job loss, funding loss, certification loss, and falsely accused them of working for Big Oil. These are the clear signals of a movement that fears scrutiny. I will say it again, scientific theories are not proven by a show of hands (i.e. consensus). Only experimental results that agree with the theory, that effectively account for all influencing factors, that are reviewed and accepted by ALL interested parties, and that survive ALL questioning can give us reason to believe the theory is sound. If you believe the preceding statement to be true, then the theory of AGW has yet to be proven. If you do not believe that statement, then you are not debating science.

steven_12 said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 20:21
Again from the Royal society site: "[...] we cannot explain the temperature rises that we have seen over the last 100 years both on land and in the oceans - for example, eleven of the last twelve years have been the hottest since records started in 1850." What about temperature records before thermometer readings started? Has Earth's temperature never been warmer than today?

steven_12 said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 20:12
From the Royal Society site: "Even these tiny quantities have resulted in an increase in global temperatures of 0.75ºC (see misleading argument 1)." This is disproven by the fact that there is no correlation. The current warming trend has started about 100 years before 90% of man-made CO2 emissions were created.

richard said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 18:44
Paul Rogers' case it that we have to work in a democratic framework to tackle climate change, rather that the "post-democratic" framework (whatever that is) that David Shearman suggested here: http://preview.tinyurl.com/24s4wv. As usual, meaningful discussion of how democratic politicians should respond to the modulated scientific advice that they are getting from the IPCC, as well as the more urgent advice coming from individual scientists, attracts th attention of man-caused climate change denialists. There is oD a special Forum here http://tinyurl.com/2x54n3 for climate change denialists to paste and write. It gives links to several sites which have FAQs. The main site is the Royal Society, the oldest and arguably the most dependable group of scientists on the planet, and there are other helpful sites. Denialists will complain that this approach is stifling debate. On the contrary, the debate is there, on the links. I had an extensive debate with a denialist by the name of ILJAY here on oD about 18 months ago. The fact is that to debate with denialists is like discussing the treatment of cardiac failure with someone who does not understand the significance of William Harvey's experiments.The effect is to stifle progress and to delay treatment with the result that and the patient suffers and eventually dies. Is it the responsibility of the physician always to debate the circulation with the blood with someone who thinks it just vibrates up and down the arteries? No - it is up to the blood circulation skeptic to go and read the books. So the question is - what do we do about global warming? Richard D North insists that the remedy should be "cheap and convenient". Well, he must know that the Stern Review concluded that to come off the fossil fuel economy would take perhaps 1% of the world's GDP, but do do nothing would cost 5-20% of the GDP. That seems a reasonably cheap and convenient remedy. Stern has been criticised for using a high discount rate, but since in this case discount rate is an economists' way of saying "blow you grandchildren, I'm all right", Stern's figures can be accepted. As with all economic changes, there will be winners and losers. Fossil fuel corporations will be the losers, which is why ExxonMobil has invested so heavily into climate denialism ( http://tinyurl.com/3782lx ). Even so, wise oil companies can have a think, realise that their core business is energy , and then diversify (using their huge wealth) into renewable energy technology, which is, when all is said and done, the future. On the other hand, there will be many winners. The Green economy ( http://www.greenhealth.org.uk/GreenEconom.htm ) is essentially labour intensive, so that unemployment can become a thing of the past. Interestingly, Green Keynesianism could steer us out of a global recession, since this seems to be where we are headed economically. http://www.greenhealth.org.uk/EconBigEnd.htm Finally, Pascal's Wager applies to the Global Warming response. This is set out in a YouTube video : http://tinyurl.com/2w3fc9 . Worth a look. Apologies to any frustrated denialists, but you have to accept that the consensus has moved away from you. You are free to think and believe whatever you want, but for the rest of us, the question is - how are we to meet the economic challenge posed by climate change? http://tinyurl.com/ytdxn3

steven_12 said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 19:47
Global warming is a fact but it's completely benign. Man-made CO2 emissions have no significant (as in detectable) impact on the environment. The more urgent issue is how to deal with the carbon fuel crunch. You seem to mix climate change with this issue. As long as people will confuse depleting carbon fuel reserves with global warming there is no chance of ever finding a solution. Don't forget: gay marriages killed the dinosaurs.

steveapub said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 05:05
Since the pro-AGW folks on this site has seen fit to lower the level of rhetoric and present what they believe to be fact, I will also lower my tone and present some of the more poignant skeptical arguments. I think we can all agree (even if we have to shrug our shoulders) that the temperature over the past 100 or so years has increased about 0.8 degrees and that CO2 delays the release of heat to space. Further, proxy data provides an overwhelming majority of the data we use to debate this issue. We should all be skeptical of ANY proxy data until it has been reviewed by anyone and everyone who requests it. If we had done this, the “hockey stick” would never have entered the scientific literature, much less the public arena. I will even go so far as to say that the theory forwarded by AGW supporters is plausible: that increased concentrations of CO2 heat the planet a small amount thereby releasing more H2O into the atmosphere which then increases the temperature even more. Here are the major problems I see with this theory: 1 If the concentration of H2O in the atmosphere has increased, no one is quoting it. And even if it has increased, said increase has not been EXPERIMENTALLY linked to CO2. With the tens of billions of dollars already thrown into this theory, one would have thought that this major point would have some experimental proof. 2 If H2O in the atmosphere has increased then a proportional increase in cloud cover and precipitation would be expected. Both of these are planetary cooling agents. From the literature I have read, neither have had statistically signifcant increases. Further, they are not well handled even in the most sophisticated of models making the model projections questionable. 3 As best we can tell, while atmospheric CO2 increased from 1940 – 1970, the planet actually cooled. I fully understand that correlation does not guarantee causation. But you have to have correlation to even be considered a candidate. 4 As best we can tell, the CO2 concentration of the planet has been generally decreasing since its birth. The best data to date shows that the planet once had a CO2 concentration 18x what it is today. That did not lead to runaway temperature increases using the planet in the experiment. A runaway scenario is simply not plausible. 5 Increases in CO2 creates logarithmic, not linear increases in temperature. That is, if it is believed that the 100ppm increase in CO2 levels through the 20th century were responsible for a 0.8 degree C increase, then the next 100ppm may produce only 0.4 degrees C and the next 100ppm, only 0.2 degrees C. Now, there is substantial debate as to where on the logarithmic curve we are presently. But at least it is open debate. 6 Even though the sun has been more active over the last century than it has been in a very long time (and correlates much better to 20th century temperatures), it has been dismissed as contributing significantly to the 20th century warming because it would require a feedback factor of about 2.0 to account for the 0.8 degree C rise. What has not been readily reported is that the feedback factor for CO2 in present day climate models is about 2.5. If one REALLY wants to know ALL of the current info on climate change, one cannot simply read RealClimate. One must also read what the opposition is posting. A very good review (skeptical, of course) of the latest literature can be found at: http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM150.pdf Bottom line – I have been reading about this issue voraciously for the past 14 months and I continue to be a skeptic. In that time, I have seen pro-AGW researchers refuse to share data and computer code with their skeptical counterparts. I have also seen the IPCC ignore the input of scientists who did not support their political position. This is anathema to the scientific method and good reason to be skeptical. I have also seen email exchanges between opposing scientists that are truly uncivil and put major hurdles into the path of discovering the truth. If Al Gore had put his personal agenda aside and convened the 2 sides in a truly scientific exchange when I began my investigation, there is a good chance that the truth about this whole subject would be much clearer and we could be in a much better position to move forward with CO2 mitigation or spend our research money elsewhere. Unfortunately, his lack of leadership has allowed this subject to devolve from a scientific endeavor into a political morass.

steven_12 said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 21:17
"At the moment the planet is not moving closer to the sun and therefore should not be warming." Are you saying changes in temperature on earth is a function of changes in distance between the earth and the sun?

steven_12 said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 21:11
"If anyone seriously wants to understand the science of climate change http://www.realclimate.org/ is I think the best site that I have found written and maintained by climate scientists nearly all convinced of the theory but a few doubters do challenge their beliefs." Because you were so kind to actually point to what's supposed to be scientific evidence I went through the trouble of reading what's available on realclimate.org. I was immediately attracted to a series of article titled "How to talk to a climate skeptic". I found this stunning rebuttal to the statement: "There is no proof that CO2 is causing global warming" http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/22/224450/84 Ha. What a laugh did I have indeed. The rebuttal does not even make an attempt to lay a foundation of evidence to support there is a link between CO2 levels and rising temperature. The rebuttal basically says there are strong indications temperature is rising and I completely concur with that. I however refuse to accept this rise in temperature is man-made and this rebuttal does nothing to prove me wrong. In fact, realclimate.org has no trouble to link to sites that are utterly non-scientific. The rebuttal ends with this stunner: "Aside: It is usually interesting to ask just what observations or evidence your skeptic would consider "proof" that global warming is caused by rising CO2 levels. Don't be surprised if you get no answer!" As far as I'm concerned I found a good indicator that there is no actual scientific proof of man-made global warming. Show me the scientific evidence people!

steven_12 said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 20:52
"The temperatures we now have are the highest average world temperatures ever recorded, higher than the medieval period etc. and are climbing at a unprecedented rate as far as we know." This must surely make you feel like a fool: http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image277.gif

spamlet said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 16:24
I have to admire the gall of Richard 'D', He and his mates have been been raking in the cash and milking the public's ignorance for all it is worth for as long as I can remember. In my opinion, they should be on trial for crimes against humanity: not STILL being allowed to continue sowing seeds of doubt with every breath. It makes not one jot of difference whether this bout of climate change is man made or not. THIS current batch of humanity will have to live - and probably a large proportion die - before a new balance is reached. The sooner they realise this the better. Perhaps, when the political parties have been deposed, and the 'economists' have gone to the wall with them, and their sceptic allies and mouthpieces, there might be some chance of a new world order emerging from the ruins. History, however, dictates, more of the same... Who needs to imagine any worse hell than life on earth? S

SamEllison said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 06:58
To the climate skeptics out there; Under your climate model, what happens if the scientists are right?

steven_12 said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 20:57
"To the climate skeptics out there; Under your climate model, what happens if the scientists are right?" I for one don't have a climate model. I turn for that to people studying the climate using the scientific method. Just show me a list of climate studies grouped by hypothesis or theory. Just show it.

steveapub said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 23:52
Casual comments from alarmists that skeptics do not know how to read data or interpret statistics has become standard mud slinging behavior. It makes up for the fact that they cannot actually prove causality between rising CO2 levels and climate change. Alarmists have found religion (not to mention the monumental amounts of research funds) and they will not be dissuaded from their belief. It does not matter that temperature increases have led CO2 increases for previous warming cycles. That, by itself, should have been enough to show CO2’s non-correlation to and inconsequential effect on planetary temperatures. It does not matter that glaciers started receding BEFORE man’s introduction of CO2 into the atmosphere, that the correlation between CO2 and temperature during the 20th century pales in comparison to the correlation between solar activity and temperature, that the holy climate models fail to account for the effects of clouds and precipitation on a global scale in any meaningful way, or that other planets are experiencing similar warming. Confounding data and alternate theories simply do not matter and will not be tolerated. The scientific method is to be abandoned with respect to climate change. In short, the search for truth be damned. Rising temperatures and rising CO2 levels are all alarmists need to declare that they have found enlightenment. Theirs is the only true interpretation of climatology (they have a show of hands to prove it) and any person who questions that interpretation, regardless of their credentials, is to be subjected to ad hominem attack, threatened with job loss, and/or accused of being a puppet of Big Oil. I will be the first to recant my heresy should Al Gore, James Hansen, and Michael Mann engage in global, public debate and prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that CO2 is the major cause of climate change. I’m not holding my breath.

RobB_1 said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 00:54
"It does not matter that temperature increases have led CO2 increases for previous warming cycles." No one disputes that. But the planet warms normally from moving slightly closer to the sun in cycles of thousands of years.Cant remember how many years the cycle is (manchovian cycles?). That then warms the oceans which then releases co2 over a period of hundreds of years. It is thought that that extra co2 then further increase the atmophere temperature leading to further warming until the earth moves further away from the sun when the process reverses.There was no release of co2 into the atmosphere independant of the earth warming, apart a very small amount from the odd volcano and forest fire as there were not billions of humans to burn the fossil fuels. At the moment the planet is not moving closer to the sun and therefore should not be warming. But the fact is that it is and it is rapidly. As far as I know sceptics do not have any factual reason for this.Why do you think it is warming? Even temporary warming over a period of tens of years has a reason such as sunspots which are plotted on climate graphs and correspond quite accurately. But there is nothing but an increase in co2 in the atmospere to explain it now, I think. And co2 in the atmospere has been known some time to help prevent the loss of heat from the planet to space and hence make the earth habitable. Rob

steven_12 said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 21:58
Quality of skeptics comments should never be a concern. What should be a concern is the data scientists are basing their conclusions on. First of all, I still have to find out if all these conclusions that go in the IPCC report are hypothesis or theories. Scientists are obviously limited by the empirical evidence that is available. Historical records can't be reviewed - one of the cornerstones of the scientific method - and recent data can thus not be properly interpolated. "Scientists" are publishing climate data at an astonishing rate and are coupling all kinds of conclusions and hypothesis to them. None of them can be proven in a scientific way. Labeling the term scientist to research doesn't make it scientific. Arguing it is scientific is demagogy. The classic response to this kind of remarks is the overwhelming data, the floods, the storms, the this and the that. Obviously these responses aren't scientific either. The basis of scientific research is skepticism. In the climate debate all forms of skepticism is refuted and ridiculed. It doesn't make a difference where the data is coming from. If it isn't scientific research I couldn't care less. This tone of this debate is very similar to the kind of fear mongering of the cold war era about the communist threat. I grew up in Western Europe in the 80's so I know what I'm talking about. Non-scientific nonsense. Prove is never shown. Rebuttals of skepticism are a laugh. You people don't take the climate debate serious because if you would you would at least try to be more convincing.

RobB_1 said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 00:32
I think climate sceptics should first read what climate scientists are basing their predictions on. The science seems to me very solid,they are not just making it up from hunches. We have the highest level of co2 in the atmosphere for at least 600,000 years which is the furthest we have been able to go back in antartic ice bores so it could be much longer. The temperatures we now have are the highest average world temperatures ever recorded, higher than the medieval period etc. and are climbing at a unprecedented rate as far as we know. CO2 is a temperature forcing gas ie by increasing co2 in the atmosphere decreases the amount of heat that leaves the planet hence leading to warming. Nearly all extra co2 comes from burning fossil fuels. The percentage of co2 in the atmosphere has I think roughly doubled over the last hundred years nearly all the increase from burning fossil fuels. Water vapour, a much larger proportion of the atmosphere and a stronger "insulator" than co2 is a feedback ie as co2 (or anything else)warms the atmosphere slightly more water vapour is absorbed from the seas and water ways so further increasing the average world temperature etc.If the temperature of the atmosphere decreases then the water vapour content decreases quickly. Co2 takes hundreds of years to reduce, by being absorbed eventually by cooler oceans I think. co2 is the only known possible current reason for warming, sunspots etc , being closer to the sun are not at the moment a reason.. If anyone seriously wants to understand the science of climate change http://www.realclimate.org/ is I think the best site that I have found written and maintained by climate scientists nearly all convinced of the theory but a few doubters do challenge their beliefs. Its ok to be sceptical but I think you have to have a reason to be sceptical and unless I have missed them no one has given a fact as to why we should be sceptical whereas there are plenty of solid evidence to support the claim of climate change it seems to me. But there are I think plenty of things that could be done to stop climate change some already quoted but the most practical and cost effective in my view would be to convert to concentrated solar power. There is more than enough solar energy to provide for all the world at a competitive price to current fossil fuels and nuclear without the co2 and radioactive dangers. http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/index.htm Rob

rennyf said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 17:49
As pointed out by others, most of the skeptics' comments show an underlying lack of understanding of the meaning of scientific data and statistics. Clearly, only long-term trends in atmospheric and oceanic CO2 and temperature are meaningful and all of these are increasing. Another point that is not discussed enough is the overall mechanism for increases in atmospheric CO2. This is based on the new (last 200 years) practice of introducing carbon into the atmosphere that has been sequestered from the carbon cycle for tens to hundreds of millions of years as coal and oil. Without this new source of carbon, there is no mechanism for C02 levels to increase for the long-term since available carbon on the earth's surface is relatively constant and cycles between the CO2 in the atmosphere and ocean and all organic life or surface products of that life (dead and decomposing plants and animals, soils etc). Since other sources of new atmospheric carbon such as volcanic activity are all relatively constant over the long term, there really is no other possible source for the new carbon except human activity. This is the reason the preindustrial fluctuations in atmospheric carbon are dwarfed by present day levels. What we have basically done over the past 2 centuries is introduce teratons of carbon into the atmosphere that took hundreds of millions of years to be sequestered in the earth. This is why we are facing a global crisis and need to stop using fossil fuels.

david_35 said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 16:36
Reducing carbon emissions is not the only way to combat climate change. 1. Increase absorption of CO2 by replacing vegetation cover where it has been removed, and by bringing water to arid areas and planting them. 2. Increase absorption of CO2 by adding nutrients to the sea to increase the amount of phytoplankton. 3. Decrease solar warming by introducing dust into the upper atmosphere. 4. Increase the reflectivity of the earth by putting a metal foil cover over (a) built areas, (b) desert areas. All of these except no. 3 are massive worldwide projects. No. 3 could be done very easily with only one point of injection into the upper atmosphere. It would also reduce skin cancer.

Bill Blackwater said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 12:26
Very briefly, I just wanted to point out how poor the quality of the sceptics' comments was here. Their criticism of mainstream climate change science is extremely superficial, and simply ignorant. I particularly like the comment that "global temperature is flattening out". This is from the same school as the argument that "global warming has stopped in the last few years". Both arguments hinge on 1998 being the warmest year on record. But just because 1998 has the highest average temperature since records began does not, of course, prove that the earth is not still warming. Just look at the trend. 19 of the 20 warmest years on record since 1860 have occurred since 1980. In fact 8 of the top 10 have happened since 1998, the only exceptions being 1998 itself and 1997. And no mainstream climate scientist would be at a loss to explain why 1998 was the hottest, despite increased CO2 in the atmosphere since then: yes, the climate is complex, and 1998 had a particularly large El Nino event. But the trend is crystal clear and beyond any doubt; and in any case climate models predict more and more protracted El Nino events in response to increased warming. Beyond unfounded criticisms of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists, the comments on the political arguments of Paul Rogers' piece by the sceptics are also extremely poor. Richard D North says he wants us to avoid catastrophic climate change; but that he doubts consumers will be willing to downgrade their consumer lifestyles in order to reduce carbon emissions, and that besides it may be too late anyway. It is true that we are committed to an amount of climate change already. But it is not too late to have an effect, if emissions are cut from this point. Yes, this will be difficult, given people's consumerist outlooks. But Richard D North offers absolutely no hint of a solution. I'd like him to explain what he would actually like to see done to save us from this disastrous climate change which he says he's as keen for us to avoid as anyone.

jamesg17 said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 10:23
I can understand that a professor of peace studies would have a lot of free time on his hands but why is this article under global security and what does it have to do with democracy? The scientists are letting us down badly with their unfounded rhetoric. Sifting through the verbiage and looking at the papers themselves, there is actually no new evidence of accelerating climate change, nor have the climate models become better, nor is there any evidence of climate change affecting us now. In fact, the global temperature is flattening out even according to Hadley Centre, who have rerigged their model to take more account of the natural variability which they had previously neglected. What happens next is largely guesswork from models which have consistently been completely wrong on every score. Look at Bangladesh. An awful tragedy has just happened. Was it climate change? Well it's customary to attribute every event to climate change nowadays even though the IPCC specifically write that no single event can be ascribed to climate change and only a small fraction of total events might be expected to result from climate change. This is because no statistical efforts have yet managed to detect any trends in extreme events. All that is really happening is that more people are aware of them. These tragedies have been happening in Bangladesh ever since people settled there. Looking at the facts and figures - there has been a rise of 0.1 degrees C in the last 50 years there. The models predicted a rise of 1.4 degrees in the next 50 years starting from 2000. Quite absurd, and they are already wrong because the flat line has continued. The records also show that the monsoon variability hasn't worsened, nor has cyclone activity, nor has rainfall changed, or droughts and floods more frequent. If fact the massive seasonal variability would dwarf any potential overall trend even if one had been detected. The floods are not due to long term sea level rise they are due to short term river level rise, which comes from living in a delta. Of course we need to spend money to help them but how much do efforts to cut CO2 actually help Bangladesh? Answer, not at all - not now, not in the future. What will help them is bringing them out of poverty. Hey, let's try it! Is the Arctic melt accelerating? Yes. Has it happened before? Yes even this century it happened before. Is it more rapid this time? - marginally perhaps. Is it our fault? Perhaps but likely more to do with soot than CO2 because the Antarctic is actually increasing in extent. Are the glaciers melting? Yes. Is it rapid? Yes. Has it happened before? Yes, for those few glaciers we have kept a record on they were all both more icy and less icy just in the 18th and 19th centuries. Have droughts or floods or wildfires or heatwaves or landfalling hurricanes or cyclones or indeed any freak weather events become more common? The records say no everywhere you look. All that has increased has been rhetoric about the mythical acceleration. Have the climate model predictions ever been proven correct? Only once, with the Mount Pinatubo cooling and they even overpredicted it. You'll hear about Pinatubo a lot because on every other issue the models have been wrong so there is no other success anyone can point to. Is the temperature increasing? Look at the Hadley graphs yourself. They have flattened out. Many solar physicists say it's because the sun's effect is now waning. Of course that's guesswork too. Has it ever been this hot? Who knows? The IPCC certainly don't. Their Mann hockey stick graph was demonstrably incorrect in so many ways and is a disgraceful attempt at misleading the public. The more scientific Moberg graph shows that it is as hot now as it was in the so-called medieval warm period. The GRIP borehole graph says it isn't even as hot now as then. And it's all so irrelevant. Of course we need to reduce poverty in the world but making fuels more expensive doesn't do that does it? Of course we need to find alternatives to fossil fuels. But look around yourself, we are doing it and achieving a lot of successes. In 50 years we'll probably have achieved it. Of course we need to become greener and less wasteful of energy. But believe it or not, people actually want to do this. That they haven't done so yet is not due to indolence but due to the current high cost of the alternatives. If geothermal heating was less expensive to install then all of us would do it - free heating, who wouldn't?

steveapub said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 02:18
The latest review of scientific literature of the subject of increased CO2 can be found at: http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM150.pdf

hdwyrain said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 02:10
I read recently that a growing body of scientists have come out against the doom predictions. I also read an article by one of the merchants of doom saying that conditions similar to the ones we are experiencing now have not occurred for thousands of years. If conditions like these did occur thousands of years ago I am forced to wonder how many factories were emitting all the gases which caused those conditions and what sort of gas guzzling cars our distant ancestors were driving. A growing body of opinion seems to indicate that what we are experiencing is part of a climate cycle. A certain section of the scientific community are doing very nicely out of all this brouhaha.

kywongcheung3 said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 01:33
Do it please human. Live a simple life,consume only what you need. Live a healthy life free from drugs,legal or illegal. Be peaceful and friendly to each other and our environment. I am pratising these values for human survival,for us and our posterity. A simple,peaceful,healthy,happy and good human who lives in Hong Kong.

alfredo.bremont said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 00:09
what we actually need is a real change of the capitalist system. from negative capitalism to positive capitalism. the system has being perverted and as a consequence we got climate upheavals. the way to correct this is by correcting how the system functions. the system depends on his users which is the lot of us, however we are distributed in ranks, creating a social spectrum that determines the position of the very rich as well of the very poor. the result is communal suicide which is what you are experiencing this days.Europe and America at large must emphasise in knowledge culture, useful and wise use of technology and the reason of existence. men is not created to exercise his main aim which is the procreation of arms. most technological advances go to the creation and proliferation of arms. man as well is on this planet to exist peacefully and enjoy life, not to work more than what his body allows him to. therefore a severe correction on how the humankind behaves is the firsts issue to tackle, Kyoto concerts or humanitarian rhetoric amounts to nothing it is the consciousness that needs to be restructured. the main media is the one that has perverted this human consciousness but it is also the medium that can healed. opening new ways of perceiving our reality, expanding our consciousness and enhancing our cultural knowledge will do more to climate control than useless rock concerts and Nobel prices. a radical change on how we were force to perceive reality is one of the keys to our evolution. the arts and sciences can bring this to our consciousness, as it is on the third world were the battle is most fierce and the minds are most difficult to penetrate. however it is the example of the industrialise nations that the third world follows. therefore giving a better example can give us a better result. i am here to help and hope for any request, i can help with my art sense i am a painter . and art can be the starting point if is done properly. not via Southey's or Christies but humanly real.

John Firth said:



Thu, 2007-11-22 21:43
Paul Rogers has raised some interesting issues. The potential impacts on businesses and on economic, environmental, social and political systems are only just beginning to be understood. The recent IPCC reports provide a clear message that our temperatures have been increasing and sea-levels rising throughout the later part of the twentieth century. The reports also make it clear that regardless of the emissions path we adopt, we are faced with unavoidable increasing global temperatures for at least another 40 plus years and rising sea levels for many centuries. Our future climate is already set over this time period and the consequences can not be ignored. We therefore face two climate challenges: 1. we must reduce our emissions now to avoid catastrophic climatic change in the longer term, and 2. we must adapt now to the inevitable climatic changes that are already underway and their impacts upon economic, environmental, political and social systems. "Ten years ago we were talking about these impacts affecting our children and our grandchildren. Now it is happening to us. Even if we achieve a cap at two degrees, there is a stock of major impacts out there already and that means adaptation. You cannot mitigate your way out of this problem. The choice is between a damaged world or a future with a severely damaged world." Professor Martin Parry, Co-chairman of the IPCC, September 2007 As our climate continues to change we will see changes in the frequency and intensity of extreme events and incremental changes in average climatic factors. For example, the European heat wave of 2003 with a return period of once every 500 years will occur every other year by the 2040’s, according to research undertaken by the UK Meteorological Office. We will have to assess the risks and opportunities and manage the impacts of incremental climatic changes and more frequent and potentially more intense extreme events across the world: • average temperatures are rising, with increases in extreme events such as heat waves and drought, • rainfall patterns are changing with increased risks of flooding, • glaciers are melting, • permafrost is thawing, • sea levels are rising, • sea-temperatures are increasing, pH is changing, • storm surge heights are increasing, • ground conditions are changing, causing landslides, subsidence and heave, • there is some evidence that the intensity of storms is increasing. The last eighteen months have seen an explosion of interest in climate change, with many companies and corporate leaders making public statements regarding the impacts for their businesses. For the most part this interest has been focused on controlling greenhouse gas emissions and has failed to recognise that our climate is already changing and that we are faced with many years of continuing unavoidable change. Those companies that concentrate solely on becoming carbon neutral will not find that they are climate-proof. “Adaptation is the only response available for the climate change impacts that will occur over the next several decades before mitigation measures can have an effect.” Sir Nicholas Stern In addition to the direct physical affects of climatic change, businesses will also be faced with indirect impacts operating through their business models. These impacts will be felt by every business irrespective of their size, sector, location, markets, products and services, and will affect: • natural resources and raw materials, • supply chains and logistics, • fixed asset design and construction, • asset operation, performance and maintenance, • manufacturing processes, • asset values, • markets, products and services, • workforces, • communities. “The firms that will prosper in a climate-changed world will tend to be those that are: early to recognise its importance and its inexorability; foresee at least some of the implications for their industry; and take appropriate steps well in advance.” “This is likely to involve, within an overall framework of good management practice: • Inculcating in management a constructive culture of adaptation to a changing economic landscape; • Encouraging employees to embrace change, and equipping them to do so; • Undertaking the requisite research and development, which is often highly industry or even firm-specific; and • Translating this research and development into appropriate investment in physical and human capital.” “The pace of a firm’s adaptation to climate change and related policy is thus likely to prove to be another of the forces that will influence whether, over the next several years, any given firm survives and prospers; or withers and, quite possibly, dies.” Dr John Llewellyn, Senior Economic Policy Advisor, Lehman Brothers Businessess need to recognise the need to adapt now, time is running out. John Firth j.firth@acclimatise.uk.com www.acclimatise.uk.com

fowberry said:



Thu, 2007-11-22 20:52
I suspect the "Something Must be Done" school are gambling that any effort would be worthwhile. The "Why Bother" school are gambling that any effort would be wasted. So the action we take turns into, perhaps, a moral issue of whether we act with "good" intention. In a situation where we can't see the ultimate consequences of our actions, I feel we need to project ourselves forward in time to explain to our descendents why we chose a particular course. What have we left for them if we are wrong, and what would be their gain if we are right. For example; do we explain to them why we built an "unsightly" wind farm, which ultimately didn't noticeably alter the world levels of CO2? Or maybe it did, just enough to avert disaster? Or do we explain to them that we didn't take any action, because it would have interfered with our appreciation of a scenic "view", or that we weren't prepared to give up our regular continental holidays? If we live a lifestyle which is unsustainable, the price is paid by those who are around when the resources run out. This could be an issue which helps to show the moral maturity (or lack thereof) of mankind.

richarddnorth said:



Thu, 2007-11-22 20:07
I'm afraid this piece exemplifies quite well what is so poor about the Something Must Be Done school of argument on climate change. I am as keen as anyone to see mankind avoid disastrous climate change. But I don't believe that mankind will take action unless it is cheap and convenient and likely to yield a decent result. I am not at all sure that cheap and convenient action will mitigate (avert) climate change, and it may not much help the poor adapt to it either. So it's hardly surprising there's no sign anywhere that dramatic action to address cimate change is politically realistic. So why frame the question as though politicians are failing or as though civil society can make the difference? This is not merely a failure of democracy, though the art of retail politics has difficulties with unpalatable policy. The greater difficulty is that the sceptical and ignorant public are inclined to wonder if it is worth throwing away their lifestyle on the off-chance that doing so will bring climate heaven. What's more - and here's the killer - they hear that it may already be too late to avert quite a lot of climate chaos. What's the point, they wonder, in throwing away much of their lifestyle on the off-chance that they can make chaos slightly less chaotic? Richard D North www.richarddnorth.com

opendemocracy said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 14:12

Richard North makes a clear and powerful case:

 - the cost/benefit of mitigation or abatement doesn't look so good to most people , (especially not the energy poor in the rapidly growing parts of the world)

 - there may be no achievable cost/benefit point for mitigtion or abatement policies that averts the worse and is willingly adopted

 -  and anyway, the benefit may never materialise because we are beyond a "tipping point" for catastrophic effects.

So what's the point in organising civil society or chastising governments?

The goal is clear: global energy per head must rise to better the lot of  the energy poor, while global emmissions must fall.

Government policy will make the cost of mitigation or abatement fall. Nothing like a carbon tax to gear silicon valley up to making tech advances - some of it in straight climate engineering - or encouraging nuclear-friendly France to press on with their R&D. 

 That government policy - Kyoto commitments - won't come in the right form without civil society organisation and pressure on democratic governments.

The "it's too late to do anything" argument that RN offers is not always wrong. In the climate change case, it says that either the temperature rise will be moderate and that we will be able to mitigate and adapt as it occurs; or it is truly runaway, and in 2 generations we will have a climate like Venus'. In other words, do nothing yet, or do nothing anyway, so do nothing yet.

But the "do nothing yet" rests on the assumption that if we squeee through the Venus scenario, then small changes in temperature should be dealt with at the time. This is exactly what arguments about population, food availability, the politics of development in the global South -- all the arguments rehearsed by Paul Rogers, in fact -- are relevant.

Having conceded so much to Paul Rogers, Richard North should have the realism to see that civil society organisation around the issue is exactly what we need.

 Tony

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